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Fantasy » alt.fan.pratchett » [I] Names - need help
| [I] Names - need help [message #261014] |
So, 30 April 2006 22:25 |
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Friends, AFPers, pedants! Lend me your brains!
I'm working on a treatment for a screenplay, and I need names (full
names; first name, surname, initials if you think of any good ones). The
characters are as follows:
PROTAGONIST: Very competent assassin, no noticeable conscience. Male,
mid-twenties. Something with connotations of redemption would be good;
I've been thinking of "Saul", but I'm not sure.
ANTAGONIST: His employer. Late fifties, early sixties, male. "Nathan"
may be an option. Some connection to The Thirty-Nine Steps would be nice
- what was the name of that guy with the missing finger?
LOVE INTEREST: Mid- to late twenties, female. Fairly naive, emotional,
tougher than one might think.
LARGE COMPANY: Think Umbrella from Resident Evil; all-encompassing,
government contracts, valuables transport, perhaps runs public
transport, power companies, the works.
Any help would be gratefully appreciated. I'm *rubbish* at thinking of
names.
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261016 ] |
So, 30 April 2006 23:59 |
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Torak said:
> Friends, AFPers, pedants! Lend me your brains!
>
> I'm working on a treatment for a screenplay, and I need names (full
> names; first name, surname, initials if you think of any good ones).
I think I've thought of eight good initials. Well, eight initials, anyway.
And they are all tried and tested.
> The characters are as follows:
>
> PROTAGONIST: Very competent assassin, no noticeable conscience. Male,
> mid-twenties. Something with connotations of redemption would be good;
> I've been thinking of "Saul", but I'm not sure.
Arthur Batty.
> ANTAGONIST: His employer. Late fifties, early sixties, male. "Nathan"
> may be an option. Some connection to The Thirty-Nine Steps would be nice
> - what was the name of that guy with the missing finger?
Conrad Dalrymple.
> LOVE INTEREST: Mid- to late twenties, female. Fairly naive, emotional,
> tougher than one might think.
Ella Fitzgerald.
> LARGE COMPANY: Think Umbrella from Resident Evil; all-encompassing,
> government contracts, valuables transport, perhaps runs public
> transport, power companies, the works.
General Holdings.
> Any help would be gratefully appreciated. I'm *rubbish* at thinking of
> names.
Me too. :-)
--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261047 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 12:43 |
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Torak wrote:
WARNING: names are not meant to be taken seriously.
> PROTAGONIST: Very competent assassin, no noticeable conscience. Male,
> mid-twenties. Something with connotations of redemption would be good;
> I've been thinking of "Saul", but I'm not sure.
Saul Good
> ANTAGONIST: His employer. Late fifties, early sixties, male. "Nathan"
> may be an option. Some connection to The Thirty-Nine Steps would be
> nice - what was the name of that guy with the missing finger?
Victor "Vic" Timise
> LOVE INTEREST: Mid- to late twenties, female. Fairly naive, emotional,
> tougher than one might think.
Molly Koddleston
> LARGE COMPANY: Think Umbrella from Resident Evil; all-encompassing,
> government contracts, valuables transport, perhaps runs public
> transport, power companies, the works.
BelialCo
> Any help would be gratefully appreciated. I'm *rubbish* at thinking of
> names.
You're not the only one!
--
Puck (onstage): I am that merry wanderer of the night!
Peaseblossom (in audience): "I am that merry wanderer of the night",
indeed! "I am that
giggling-dangerous-totally-bloody-psychotic-menace-to-life and limb,
more like." -Neil Gaiman
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261050 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 14:16 |
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Puck wrote:
> Torak wrote:
>
> WARNING: names are not meant to be taken seriously.
>
>
>>PROTAGONIST: Very competent assassin, no noticeable conscience. Male,
>>mid-twenties. Something with connotations of redemption would be good;
>>I've been thinking of "Saul", but I'm not sure.
>
> Saul Good
Groan... that was dreadful....
>>ANTAGONIST: His employer. Late fifties, early sixties, male. "Nathan"
>>may be an option. Some connection to The Thirty-Nine Steps would be
>>nice - what was the name of that guy with the missing finger?
>
> Victor "Vic" Timise
....and that was worse.
>>LOVE INTEREST: Mid- to late twenties, female. Fairly naive, emotional,
>>tougher than one might think.
>
> Molly Koddleston
Fair to middling.
>>LARGE COMPANY: Think Umbrella from Resident Evil; all-encompassing,
>>government contracts, valuables transport, perhaps runs public
>>transport, power companies, the works.
>
> BelialCo
Oh, I like that one.
>>Any help would be gratefully appreciated. I'm *rubbish* at thinking of
>>names.
>
> You're not the only one!
Oh god, we're *all* rubbish!
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261053 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 15:52 |
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Torak wrote:
> I'm working on a treatment for a screenplay, and I need names (full names;
> first name, surname, initials if you think of any good ones). The characters
> are as follows:
I'm assuming the screenplay is serious, not comic, and that you don't
want every character to have a name that refers *blatantly* to their
personality. You should have clarified the mood and genre a bit.
Assuming it's serious, such blatancy would probably detract rather
than enhance it, because it would take away some of the realism.
Protagonist: Mark Goode
Antagonist: Daniel Alderman
Love Interest: Ashley Stewart
If it's supposed to be comic, and you *do* want things to be blatant,
replace "Alderman" with "Eldridge" and "Stewart" with "Sweet".
In most cases, my suggestions have nothing whatsoever to do with the
meanings of the names, and are based purely on an intuitive sense of
what *sounds* right. "Goode" is of course one of the exceptions; it
doubles as both the redemption link and a reference to the fact that
he is good at his job. And the boss's surname of course alludes to the
word "elder". My choice of Stewart for Ashley's surname is totally
meaningless, except that I had an intuitive feeling that it starts
with S, and unless the screenplay is supposed to be comic, blatantly
saccharine names are probably a bad idea.
How did I come up with them? Short answer: browsed lists.
Adrian.
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261056 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 16:12 |
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8'FED wrote:
> Torak wrote:
>
>>I'm working on a treatment for a screenplay, and I need names (full names;
>>first name, surname, initials if you think of any good ones). The characters
>>are as follows:
>
> I'm assuming the screenplay is serious, not comic, and that you don't
> want every character to have a name that refers *blatantly* to their
> personality. You should have clarified the mood and genre a bit.
> Assuming it's serious, such blatancy would probably detract rather
> than enhance it, because it would take away some of the realism.
>
> Protagonist: Mark Goode
> Antagonist: Daniel Alderman
> Love Interest: Ashley Stewart
>
> If it's supposed to be comic, and you *do* want things to be blatant,
> replace "Alderman" with "Eldridge" and "Stewart" with "Sweet".
>
> In most cases, my suggestions have nothing whatsoever to do with the
> meanings of the names, and are based purely on an intuitive sense of
> what *sounds* right. "Goode" is of course one of the exceptions; it
> doubles as both the redemption link and a reference to the fact that
> he is good at his job. And the boss's surname of course alludes to the
> word "elder". My choice of Stewart for Ashley's surname is totally
> meaningless, except that I had an intuitive feeling that it starts
> with S, and unless the screenplay is supposed to be comic, blatantly
> saccharine names are probably a bad idea.
Think I've got a good name for the bad guy, based on a certain famous
film I won't mention. ;-)
As for the protagonist... "Mark" could work, actually. Neatly mirrors
the fact that his targets are referred to as marks, and works well with
a plot twist I have planned...
As for the LI... I dunno, was thinking of something on M or R.
Any ideas for the company? That's proving tricky...
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261058 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 16:28 |
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On Mon, 01 May 2006 16:12:58 +0200, Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com>
wrote:
<snip>
>
>As for the LI... I dunno, was thinking of something on M or R.
I'd agree with the "M" for the LI, you get a nice alliteritive ring to
it if you go with Mark
>Any ideas for the company? That's proving tricky...
how about SkinnerCorp? I'm doing a psyche degree and skinner did a lot
of manipulation of rats and control experiments, might be a wee bit
subtle though.
Phaze
on the "just found the group and am posting like a mad thing" ID
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261061 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 17:03 |
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phazedout [at] o2.ie wrote:
> On Mon, 01 May 2006 16:12:58 +0200, Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com>
>
> <snip>
>
>>As for the LI... I dunno, was thinking of something on M or R.
>
> I'd agree with the "M" for the LI, you get a nice alliteritive ring to
> it if you go with Mark
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. And another reason, but I won't go into
that.
>>Any ideas for the company? That's proving tricky...
>
> how about SkinnerCorp? I'm doing a psyche degree and skinner did a lot
> of manipulation of rats and control experiments, might be a wee bit
> subtle though.
Ooooh, that's a nice idea... Yes, I can work with that. Or one of the
execs could be Skinner. Or something.
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261064 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 17:38 |
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Torak wrote:
> As for the LI... I dunno, was thinking of something on M or R.
I thought your meaning was clear, but after reading your reply to
phazedout I'm not so sure. Are you talking about first name or surname
here?
Ah, what the hell. "Miranda Robbins" covers both.
> Any ideas for the company? That's proving tricky...
It *is* tricky, because there are no lists to pick from. You said it
was similar to some fictional company called Umbrella. Do you want
some other name that implies "covers everything"? What covers
everything? The sky, obviously (the sky is a rich source of company
names - think Sun, Sky, etc). Clouds, if it is cloudy. The name
"Stormcloud" would allude indirectly to Umbrella, and suggests a
company that is dynamic, powerful, and fast as well as high and wide.
Of course, it might be far too dark and negative, but then again being
dark and negative might help set exactly the mood you want.
Lists are useful. If you can think of several more vaguely similar
companies from real life or fiction, writing down their names may
inspire new tangents of inspiration.
Adrian.
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261065 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 17:58 |
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Also Sprach 8'FED:
> Torak wrote:
>> Any ideas for the company? That's proving tricky...
>
> It *is* tricky, because there are no lists to pick from.
> You said it was similar to some fictional company called
> Umbrella. Do you want some other name that implies "covers
> everything"? What covers everything? The sky, obviously
> (the sky is a rich source of company names - think Sun,
> Sky, etc). Clouds, if it is cloudy. The name "Stormcloud"
> would allude indirectly to Umbrella, and suggests a company
> that is dynamic, powerful, and fast as well as high and
> wide. Of course, it might be far too dark and negative, but
> then again being dark and negative might help set exactly
> the mood you want.
>
> Lists are useful. If you can think of several more vaguely
> similar companies from real life or fiction, writing down
> their names may inspire new tangents of inspiration.
I get the impression Goliath(TM) ("For all you'll ever
need"(TM)) from the Thursday Next novels would also be
comparable, as would, possibly, LexCorp (it sounds a bit too
sinister to be Wayne Enterprises). I'm not sure if this helps.
--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
"[Wolverine]'s in every book. I think he just joined
the JLA, and for some reason he's in the revised
Penguin edition of Little Dorrit." -Joss Whedon
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261067 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 18:08 |
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8'FED wrote:
> Torak wrote:
>
>>As for the LI... I dunno, was thinking of something on M or R.
>
> I thought your meaning was clear, but after reading your reply to
> phazedout I'm not so sure. Are you talking about first name or surname
> here?
>
> Ah, what the hell. "Miranda Robbins" covers both.
Well, I was thinking first name. But Miranda Robbins is good... I'll try
that.
>>Any ideas for the company? That's proving tricky...
>
> It *is* tricky, because there are no lists to pick from. You said it
> was similar to some fictional company called Umbrella. Do you want
> some other name that implies "covers everything"? What covers
> everything? The sky, obviously (the sky is a rich source of company
> names - think Sun, Sky, etc). Clouds, if it is cloudy. The name
> "Stormcloud" would allude indirectly to Umbrella, and suggests a
> company that is dynamic, powerful, and fast as well as high and wide.
> Of course, it might be far too dark and negative, but then again being
> dark and negative might help set exactly the mood you want.
"Stormcloud"... I like it. And it sounds like something a PR agency
might think of. Yes, I'll play with that a while.
> Lists are useful. If you can think of several more vaguely similar
> companies from real life or fiction, writing down their names may
> inspire new tangents of inspiration.
Wish I'd thought of that myself.
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261068 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 18:09 |
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Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
> Also Sprach 8'FED:
>>Torak wrote:
>
>>>Any ideas for the company? That's proving tricky...
>>
>>It *is* tricky, because there are no lists to pick from.
>>You said it was similar to some fictional company called
>>Umbrella. Do you want some other name that implies "covers
>>everything"? What covers everything? The sky, obviously
>>(the sky is a rich source of company names - think Sun,
>>Sky, etc). Clouds, if it is cloudy. The name "Stormcloud"
>>would allude indirectly to Umbrella, and suggests a company
>>that is dynamic, powerful, and fast as well as high and
>>wide. Of course, it might be far too dark and negative, but
>>then again being dark and negative might help set exactly
>>the mood you want.
>>
>>Lists are useful. If you can think of several more vaguely
>>similar companies from real life or fiction, writing down
>>their names may inspire new tangents of inspiration.
>
> I get the impression Goliath(TM) ("For all you'll ever
> need"(TM)) from the Thursday Next novels would also be
> comparable, as would, possibly, LexCorp (it sounds a bit too
> sinister to be Wayne Enterprises). I'm not sure if this helps.
Yeah, that's the kind of company I'm after. I'll play a bit with
Stormcloud, I think.
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261072 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 20:13 |
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On Mon, 01 May 2006 18:08:23 +0200, Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:=
>
> "Stormcloud"... I like it. And it sounds like something a PR agency =
> might think of. Yes, I'll play with that a while.
Unless that is too close to the actual company Storm (or is that just th=
e =
brand name of some expensive ^^^cool watches etc?)
Nimbus is already a computer, but why stick to English names? Wolke, or=
=
even Wolkenbruch (cloudburst) could have sinister undertones......
-- =
Insert clever/witty/deep sig here
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261082 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 21:24 |
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RuneMaster wrote:
> On Mon, 01 May 2006 18:08:23 +0200, Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Stormcloud"... I like it. And it sounds like something a PR agency
>> might think of. Yes, I'll play with that a while.
>
>
>
> Unless that is too close to the actual company Storm (or is that just
> the brand name of some expensive ^^^cool watches etc?)
>
> Nimbus is already a computer, but why stick to English names? Wolke,
> or even Wolkenbruch (cloudburst) could have sinister undertones......
Ooooh, that's a nice one. Wolkenbruch... yes, I think we have a winner.
Then Stormcloud Corp could be one of the subsidiaries.
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261089 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 21:47 |
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Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> RuneMaster wrote:
> > On Mon, 01 May 2006 18:08:23 +0200, Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > "Stormcloud"... I like it. And it sounds like something a PR agency
> > > might think of. Yes, I'll play with that a while.
> >
> >
> >
> > Unless that is too close to the actual company Storm (or is that just
> > the brand name of some expensive ^^^cool watches etc?)
> >
> > Nimbus is already a computer, but why stick to English names? Wolke,
> > or even Wolkenbruch (cloudburst) could have sinister undertones......
>
> Ooooh, that's a nice one. Wolkenbruch... yes, I think we have a winner.
I don't know if that's important for your story,
but I can't imagine a German naming a company
"Wolkenbruch". Not at all.
> Then Stormcloud Corp could be one of the subsidiaries.
Schobi
--
SpamTrap [at] gmx.de is never read
I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org
"The sarcasm is mightier than the sword."
Eric Jarvis
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261090 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 21:50 |
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Hendrik Schober wrote:
> Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>RuneMaster wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 01 May 2006 18:08:23 +0200, Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Stormcloud"... I like it. And it sounds like something a PR agency
>>>>might think of. Yes, I'll play with that a while.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Unless that is too close to the actual company Storm (or is that just
>>>the brand name of some expensive ^^^cool watches etc?)
>>>
>>>Nimbus is already a computer, but why stick to English names? Wolke,
>>>or even Wolkenbruch (cloudburst) could have sinister undertones......
>>
>>Ooooh, that's a nice one. Wolkenbruch... yes, I think we have a winner.
>
>
> I don't know if that's important for your story,
> but I can't imagine a German naming a company
> "Wolkenbruch". Not at all.
Any particular reason? I mean, there's a great sound to it. Could the
founder have been named Wolkenbruch and used his own name for the company?
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261098 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 22:30 |
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"Hendrik Schober" <SpamTrap [at] gmx.de> writes:
> Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ooooh, that's a nice one. Wolkenbruch... yes, I think we have
> > a winner.
>
> I don't know if that's important for your story, but I can't
> imagine a German naming a company "Wolkenbruch". Not at all.
What he says. To use that in your novel would be just as silly as
calling a vaguely Teutonic-flavoured institute of education, I
don't know, 'Durmstrang' or something. People won't stand for it
-- it'll never work!
--
Leo Breebaart <leo [at] lspace.org>
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261099 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 22:35 |
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Leo Breebaart wrote:
> "Hendrik Schober" <SpamTrap [at] gmx.de> writes:
>>Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Ooooh, that's a nice one. Wolkenbruch... yes, I think we have
>>>a winner.
>>
>> I don't know if that's important for your story, but I can't
>> imagine a German naming a company "Wolkenbruch". Not at all.
>
> What he says. To use that in your novel would be just as silly as
> calling a vaguely Teutonic-flavoured institute of education, I
> don't know, 'Durmstrang' or something. People won't stand for it
> -- it'll never work!
Well, why? Would nobody use it as a name? Maybe a third-generation
German who knows the language but not the idioms?
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261105 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 23:22 |
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Torak perry_awm [at] hotmail.com wrote in <Z295g.10441$zc1.5720 [at] amstwist00>:
> Friends, AFPers, pedants! Lend me your brains!
>
> I'm working on a treatment for a screenplay, and I need names (full
> names; first name, surname, initials if you think of any good ones). The
> characters are as follows:
>
It would help if you told us where you want them to be from.
> PROTAGONIST: Very competent assassin, no noticeable conscience. Male,
> mid-twenties. Something with connotations of redemption would be good;
> I've been thinking of "Saul", but I'm not sure.
Assuming English names...Saul Retallack, Neil Climbie
> ANTAGONIST: His employer. Late fifties, early sixties, male. "Nathan"
> may be an option. Some connection to The Thirty-Nine Steps would be nice
> - what was the name of that guy with the missing finger?
Nathaniel Buchan, Bernard Armstrong
> LOVE INTEREST: Mid- to late twenties, female. Fairly naive, emotional,
> tougher than one might think.
Ellen Harrell, Lucy Parfitt
> LARGE COMPANY: Think Umbrella from Resident Evil; all-encompassing,
> government contracts, valuables transport, perhaps runs public
> transport, power companies, the works.
The New Cooperative Corporation.
> Any help would be gratefully appreciated. I'm *rubbish* at thinking of
> names.
>
Whereas I have no problem at all. I find it very easy, though it's easier
to get the right one with more to go on.
--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261106 ] |
Mo, 01 Mai 2006 23:27 |
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Torak perry_awm [at] hotmail.com wrote in <_oq5g.10495$zc1.9475 [at] amstwist00>:
> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
> > Also Sprach 8'FED:
> >>Torak wrote:
> >
> >>>Any ideas for the company? That's proving tricky...
> >>
> >>It *is* tricky, because there are no lists to pick from.
> >>You said it was similar to some fictional company called
> >>Umbrella. Do you want some other name that implies "covers
> >>everything"? What covers everything? The sky, obviously
> >>(the sky is a rich source of company names - think Sun,
> >>Sky, etc). Clouds, if it is cloudy. The name "Stormcloud"
> >>would allude indirectly to Umbrella, and suggests a company
> >>that is dynamic, powerful, and fast as well as high and
> >>wide. Of course, it might be far too dark and negative, but
> >>then again being dark and negative might help set exactly
> >>the mood you want.
> >>
> >>Lists are useful. If you can think of several more vaguely
> >>similar companies from real life or fiction, writing down
> >>their names may inspire new tangents of inspiration.
> >
> > I get the impression Goliath(TM) ("For all you'll ever
> > need"(TM)) from the Thursday Next novels would also be
> > comparable, as would, possibly, LexCorp (it sounds a bit too
> > sinister to be Wayne Enterprises). I'm not sure if this helps.
>
> Yeah, that's the kind of company I'm after. I'll play a bit with
> Stormcloud, I think.
>
If you want it to be realistic then you have to go through the process the
marketing department would when setting the initial brand. If it's a large
predatory company taking over existing businesses and attempting to form
monopolies then the name should imply that they are friendly and cuddly
but innovative. The very last thing they would do is choose an appropriate
name.
--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
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Di, 02 Mai 2006 00:36 |
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Eric Jarvis wrote:
> Torak perry_awm [at] hotmail.com wrote in <Z295g.10441$zc1.5720 [at] amstwist00>:
>
>>Friends, AFPers, pedants! Lend me your brains!
>>
>>I'm working on a treatment for a screenplay, and I need names (full
>>names; first name, surname, initials if you think of any good ones). The
>>characters are as follows:
>
> It would help if you told us where you want them to be from.
Doh, so it would. As yet undecided, but definitely anglophone. Probably
American, but possibly English depending on markets.
>>PROTAGONIST: Very competent assassin, no noticeable conscience. Male,
>>mid-twenties. Something with connotations of redemption would be good;
>>I've been thinking of "Saul", but I'm not sure.
>
> Assuming English names...Saul Retallack, Neil Climbie
I think I'll go with "Mark" for the first name, but Saul could do for
the other assassins.
>>ANTAGONIST: His employer. Late fifties, early sixties, male. "Nathan"
>>may be an option. Some connection to The Thirty-Nine Steps would be nice
>>- what was the name of that guy with the missing finger?
>
> Nathaniel Buchan, Bernard Armstrong
There we have two of the other execs, I think. I like those names. The
bad guy himself will be Jordan Godfrey.
>>LOVE INTEREST: Mid- to late twenties, female. Fairly naive, emotional,
>>tougher than one might think.
>
> Ellen Harrell, Lucy Parfitt
>
>>LARGE COMPANY: Think Umbrella from Resident Evil; all-encompassing,
>>government contracts, valuables transport, perhaps runs public
>>transport, power companies, the works.
>
> The New Cooperative Corporation.
>
>>Any help would be gratefully appreciated. I'm *rubbish* at thinking of
>>names.
>
> Whereas I have no problem at all. I find it very easy, though it's easier
> to get the right one with more to go on.
Yeah. I think I can use some of those... Thanks!
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261117 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 00:38 |
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Eric Jarvis wrote:
> Torak perry_awm [at] hotmail.com wrote in <_oq5g.10495$zc1.9475 [at] amstwist00>:
>>Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
>>>
>>>I get the impression Goliath(TM) ("For all you'll ever
>>>need"(TM)) from the Thursday Next novels would also be
>>>comparable, as would, possibly, LexCorp (it sounds a bit too
>>>sinister to be Wayne Enterprises). I'm not sure if this helps.
>>
>>Yeah, that's the kind of company I'm after. I'll play a bit with
>>Stormcloud, I think.
>
> If you want it to be realistic then you have to go through the process the
> marketing department would when setting the initial brand. If it's a large
> predatory company taking over existing businesses and attempting to form
> monopolies then the name should imply that they are friendly and cuddly
> but innovative. The very last thing they would do is choose an appropriate
> name.
This is true, of course. The question is whether to go with an obviously
sinister name or a subtly sinister one... OK, so not much of a question,
but *how* subtle to go.
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261124 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 01:15 |
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:25:28 +0200, in alt.fan.pratchett
Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote in
<Z295g.10441$zc1.5720 [at] amstwist00>:
>Friends, AFPers, pedants! Lend me your brains!
>
>I'm working on a treatment for a screenplay, and I need names (full
>names; first name, surname, initials if you think of any good ones). The
>characters are as follows:
>
>PROTAGONIST: Very competent assassin, no noticeable conscience. Male,
>mid-twenties. Something with connotations of redemption would be good;
>I've been thinking of "Saul", but I'm not sure.
Stephan L. Astrit
>ANTAGONIST: His employer. Late fifties, early sixties, male. "Nathan"
>may be an option. Some connection to The Thirty-Nine Steps would be nice
>- what was the name of that guy with the missing finger?
Martin Fowler
>LOVE INTEREST: Mid- to late twenties, female. Fairly naive, emotional,
>tougher than one might think.
Mia R. Swents
>LARGE COMPANY: Think Umbrella from Resident Evil; all-encompassing,
>government contracts, valuables transport, perhaps runs public
>transport, power companies, the works.
Calico
>Any help would be gratefully appreciated. I'm *rubbish* at thinking of
>names.
Or you could go with Dick Cheney and Halliburton.
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261130 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 01:37 |
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phazedout [at] o2.ie wrote:
> On Mon, 01 May 2006 16:12:58 +0200, Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>
>>As for the LI... I dunno, was thinking of something on M or R.
> I'd agree with the "M" for the LI, you get a nice alliteritive ring to
> it if you go with Mark
>>Any ideas for the company? That's proving tricky...
> how about SkinnerCorp? I'm doing a psyche degree and skinner did a lot
> of manipulation of rats and control experiments, might be a wee bit
> subtle though.
> Phaze
> on the "just found the group and am posting like a mad thing" ID
Just a small posting tip here, which I'm mentioning in order to be
helpful: try leaving a blank line in between things you quote and
things you write, and also between each of your paragraphs. This will
make your posts easier to read. :-)
Adrian.
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261139 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 02:09 |
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Free Lunch wrote:
> Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote in
>
>>Any help would be gratefully appreciated. I'm *rubbish* at thinking of
>>names.
>
> Or you could go with Dick Cheney and Halliburton.
Oooh, I like those. But I recognise those names... I wonder where from. ;-)
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261140 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 02:34 |
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Torak wrote:
> Eric Jarvis wrote:
>> Nathaniel Buchan, Bernard Armstrong
>
> There we have two of the other execs, I think. I like those names. The bad guy
> himself will be Jordan Godfrey.
Godfrey Terrace was a street very close to where my grandparents
lived. Not that this should influence you in any way whatsoever.
What's Mark's surname? I don't think it's advisable to have both a
Goode _and_ a Godfrey as main characters (by the way, in "Godfrey"
you've chosen a name with definite connotations of redemption but
given it to the wrong character).
A surname lineup of Goode/Godfrey/Robbins would suggest that your
favourite letter is O. I'd be cautious about that. I'd keep names of
main characters sharply distinct from each other.
Adrian.
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261141 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 02:54 |
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Torak perry_awm [at] hotmail.com wrote in <M5w5g.10534$zc1.7456 [at] amstwist00>:
> Eric Jarvis wrote:
> > Torak perry_awm [at] hotmail.com wrote in <_oq5g.10495$zc1.9475 [at] amstwist00>:
> >>Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
> >>>
> >>>I get the impression Goliath(TM) ("For all you'll ever
> >>>need"(TM)) from the Thursday Next novels would also be
> >>>comparable, as would, possibly, LexCorp (it sounds a bit too
> >>>sinister to be Wayne Enterprises). I'm not sure if this helps.
> >>
> >>Yeah, that's the kind of company I'm after. I'll play a bit with
> >>Stormcloud, I think.
> >
> > If you want it to be realistic then you have to go through the process the
> > marketing department would when setting the initial brand. If it's a large
> > predatory company taking over existing businesses and attempting to form
> > monopolies then the name should imply that they are friendly and cuddly
> > but innovative. The very last thing they would do is choose an appropriate
> > name.
>
> This is true, of course. The question is whether to go with an obviously
> sinister name or a subtly sinister one... OK, so not much of a question,
> but *how* subtle to go.
>
I think we're now at the stage where if you place "New" before any
existing name it is innately sinister. However marketing departments don't
yet seem to have noticed.
--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261146 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 04:33 |
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On 2006-05-01 11:09:28 -0500, Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> said:
> Yeah, that's the kind of company I'm after.
Aha. How about Nestlé-Thyssen, then? Or Proctor&Daimler?
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261148 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 04:43 |
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René wrote:
> On 2006-05-01 11:09:28 -0500, Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> said:
>
>> Yeah, that's the kind of company I'm after.
>
> Aha. How about Nestlé-Thyssen, then? Or Proctor&Daimler?
Oh, wait...
ProctorLogic
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just have to be a horrible warning." C. Aird, _His Burial Too_
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261149 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 04:54 |
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On 2006-05-01 15:35:44 -0500, Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> said:
> Well, why? Would nobody use it as a name? Maybe a third-generation
> German who knows the language but not the idioms?
A third gen German wouldn't be able to pronounce it anymore :)
And "sudden, torrential rainfall" is really not the kind of image any
kind of company would like to convey. HeretiCorp is already in
(fictional) use, how about General Agnostics?
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261158 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 09:14 |
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Once upon a Mon, 01 May 2006 16:12:58 +0200 dreary...over many a quaint and
curious alt.fan.pratchett of forgotten lore... quoth Torak
<perry_awm [at] hotmail.com>...
<major snipage>
>Any ideas for the company? That's proving tricky...
Trans.
Sounds big, sounds powerful, and yet is, when all is said and done,
meaningless. Just like a lot of megacorp names these days.
--
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261159 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 09:50 |
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Torak wrote:
> Hendrik Schober wrote:
>> Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> RuneMaster wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 01 May 2006 18:08:23 +0200, Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Stormcloud"... I like it. And it sounds like something a PR agency
>>>>> might think of. Yes, I'll play with that a while.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unless that is too close to the actual company Storm (or is that just
>>>> the brand name of some expensive ^^^cool watches etc?)
>>>>
>>>> Nimbus is already a computer, but why stick to English names? Wolke,
>>>> or even Wolkenbruch (cloudburst) could have sinister undertones......
>>>
>>> Ooooh, that's a nice one. Wolkenbruch... yes, I think we have a winner.
>>
>>
>> I don't know if that's important for your story,
>> but I can't imagine a German naming a company
>> "Wolkenbruch". Not at all.
>
> Any particular reason? I mean, there's a great sound to it. Could the
> founder have been named Wolkenbruch and used his own name for the company?
You may want to consider that the company has been started by a person
(no longer present) and that his name is the main component of the
corporation name. If it's American in origin you can play with all kinds
of names (many were badly mangled in immigration) and add Enterprises,
Corporation or such at the end.
You can even have the marketing division change the name later eg.
Wolfen Corporation -> Wolken Corporation, thus making if a bit "nicer"
in sound, but otherwise close to the original.
This change can even be referenced in your treatment, eg. "You know, it
used to be "Wolfen Corporation" but this was a bit to close to their
true nature, so they changed it in the '70s, after the founder passed away."
Anyway, don't let the name be to firmly set now, because it is very easy
to make a global change later. You could even just use CORP in your
drafts and change it later on. You may come up with a great name as
you're writing, so don't fix it to early.
Pudde.
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261163 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 10:50 |
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8'FED wrote:
> Torak wrote:
>>Eric Jarvis wrote:
>
>>>Nathaniel Buchan, Bernard Armstrong
>>
>>There we have two of the other execs, I think. I like those names. The bad guy
>>himself will be Jordan Godfrey.
>
>
> Godfrey Terrace was a street very close to where my grandparents
> lived. Not that this should influence you in any way whatsoever.
>
> What's Mark's surname? I don't think it's advisable to have both a
> Goode _and_ a Godfrey as main characters (by the way, in "Godfrey"
> you've chosen a name with definite connotations of redemption but
> given it to the wrong character).
>
> A surname lineup of Goode/Godfrey/Robbins would suggest that your
> favourite letter is O. I'd be cautious about that. I'd keep names of
> main characters sharply distinct from each other.
Yeah - I don't think I'll be using Goode; apart from anything else, it
feels too obvious. The bad guy's the only one set in any degree of stone
(some combination of Jordan, Godfrey and Tearle, for reasons that will
be apparent to anyone who's watched The 39 Steps).
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261164 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 10:53 |
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Basil Drake wrote:
> Once upon a Mon, 01 May 2006 16:12:58 +0200 dreary...over many a quaint and
> curious alt.fan.pratchett of forgotten lore... quoth Torak
> <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com>...
>
> <major snipage>
>
>>Any ideas for the company? That's proving tricky...
>
> Trans.
>
> Sounds big, sounds powerful, and yet is, when all is said and done,
> meaningless. Just like a lot of megacorp names these days.
Oooh, that could work...
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261165 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 10:54 |
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René wrote:
> On 2006-05-01 15:35:44 -0500, Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> said:
>
>> Well, why? Would nobody use it as a name? Maybe a third-generation
>> German who knows the language but not the idioms?
>
>
> A third gen German wouldn't be able to pronounce it anymore :)
> And "sudden, torrential rainfall" is really not the kind of image any
> kind of company would like to convey. HeretiCorp is already in
> (fictional) use, how about General Agnostics?
OK, someone with no connection to Germany who found the word in a
dictionary and liked the sound of it?
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261166 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 10:55 |
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Pudde Fjord wrote:
> Torak wrote:
>
>> Hendrik Schober wrote:
>>
>>> Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> RuneMaster wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 01 May 2006 18:08:23 +0200, Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Stormcloud"... I like it. And it sounds like something a PR agency
>>>>>> might think of. Yes, I'll play with that a while.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless that is too close to the actual company Storm (or is that just
>>>>> the brand name of some expensive ^^^cool watches etc?)
>>>>>
>>>>> Nimbus is already a computer, but why stick to English names? Wolke,
>>>>> or even Wolkenbruch (cloudburst) could have sinister undertones......
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ooooh, that's a nice one. Wolkenbruch... yes, I think we have a winner.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know if that's important for your story,
>>> but I can't imagine a German naming a company
>>> "Wolkenbruch". Not at all.
>>
>>
>> Any particular reason? I mean, there's a great sound to it. Could the
>> founder have been named Wolkenbruch and used his own name for the
>> company?
>
>
> You may want to consider that the company has been started by a person
> (no longer present) and that his name is the main component of the
> corporation name. If it's American in origin you can play with all kinds
> of names (many were badly mangled in immigration) and add Enterprises,
> Corporation or such at the end.
>
> You can even have the marketing division change the name later eg.
> Wolfen Corporation -> Wolken Corporation, thus making if a bit "nicer"
> in sound, but otherwise close to the original.
>
> This change can even be referenced in your treatment, eg. "You know, it
> used to be "Wolfen Corporation" but this was a bit to close to their
> true nature, so they changed it in the '70s, after the founder passed
> away."
>
> Anyway, don't let the name be to firmly set now, because it is very easy
> to make a global change later. You could even just use CORP in your
> drafts and change it later on. You may come up with a great name as
> you're writing, so don't fix it to early.
Yeah... Cheers, I'll see what happens. :-)
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261171 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 11:47 |
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Torak wrote:
> 8'FED wrote:
>> What's Mark's surname? I don't think it's advisable to have both a
>> Goode _and_ a Godfrey as main characters (by the way, in "Godfrey"
>> you've chosen a name with definite connotations of redemption but
>> given it to the wrong character).
[...]
> Yeah - I don't think I'll be using Goode; apart from anything else, it feels
> too obvious. The bad guy's the only one set in any degree of stone (some
> combination of Jordan, Godfrey and Tearle, for reasons that will be apparent
> to anyone who's watched The 39 Steps).
If you're still looking for surnames with redemption connotations,
there's always Turner (as in: he turns his life around). The only
downside is that there appear to be one or two relatively famous
people called Mark Turner in real life, but not, I suspect, all
*that* famous. It's a common forename and a common surname, so the
combination is bound to crop up from time to time.
As for Miranda, if you give two-syllable surnames to both of your main
male characters then I'd choose a surname with a different number of
syllables for the surname of your main female character, just to make
the character list look more random.
So how about:
Protagonist: Mark Turner
Antagonist: Jordan Godfrey
Love Interest: Miranda Robinson
Adrian.
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Di, 02 Mai 2006 12:07 |
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8'FED wrote:
> Torak wrote:
>
>>8'FED wrote:
>
>
>>>What's Mark's surname? I don't think it's advisable to have both a
>>>Goode _and_ a Godfrey as main characters (by the way, in "Godfrey"
>>>you've chosen a name with definite connotations of redemption but
>>>given it to the wrong character).
>
> [...]
>
>>Yeah - I don't think I'll be using Goode; apart from anything else, it feels
>>too obvious. The bad guy's the only one set in any degree of stone (some
>>combination of Jordan, Godfrey and Tearle, for reasons that will be apparent
>>to anyone who's watched The 39 Steps).
>
>
> If you're still looking for surnames with redemption connotations,
> there's always Turner (as in: he turns his life around). The only
> downside is that there appear to be one or two relatively famous
> people called Mark Turner in real life, but not, I suspect, all
> *that* famous. It's a common forename and a common surname, so the
> combination is bound to crop up from time to time.
That's a thought. Pondering.
> As for Miranda, if you give two-syllable surnames to both of your main
> male characters then I'd choose a surname with a different number of
> syllables for the surname of your main female character, just to make
> the character list look more random.
>
> So how about:
>
> Protagonist: Mark Turner
> Antagonist: Jordan Godfrey
> Love Interest: Miranda Robinson
Bit too close to Miranda Richardson, but otherwise a good idea.
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261176 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 12:25 |
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Torak wrote:
> Basil Drake wrote:
>> quoth Torak:
>>>Any ideas for the company? That's proving tricky...
>>
>> Trans.
>>
>> Sounds big, sounds powerful, and yet is, when all is said and done,
>> meaningless. Just like a lot of megacorp names these days.
>
> Oooh, that could work...
Developing that theme:
Transcorpa.
Superficially this is "trans" plus "corp" plus a soft and friendly
letter "a", but it's also subtly sinister due to a faint hint of the
word "scorpion" (i.e. sting in the tail).
Alternatively:
Perhaps it could be named after some figure from mythology?
Adrian.
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| Re: [I] Names - need help [message #261177 ] |
Di, 02 Mai 2006 12:29 |
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Torak wrote:
> That's a thought. Pondering.
I will, of course, be interested in your final, semi-final and
transitionary decisions. Keep us posted!
Adrian.
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